5800 X3D...the X3D being the most important differentiator
Do I upgrade or do i wait?
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1ish or 3 i reckon
1 if you can wait till at least the 8000/9000 series cpu's come out in sep time...with single core 20-30% increase if rumours are true the 8/9600x will beat all current cpu's just as the 7600x beat all 5000 series cpu's etc. They'll be new mobo's coming out too though they might be delayed a bit from what I've read, but schedule is x770 in Q324.
At that point current mobo's might drop in price and maybe current cpu's a bit also, so you'll be able to compare price/performance
Below another vid showing 2700x, 3700x, 5800x and 5800x3d with a 3090ti...as you've got a ultrawide, you reference will be somewhere between the 1440p and 4k results. Depending on the game you'll get nothing to maybe 10% boost. Not worth £200 imho. If you can't wait for 5000 series and can get a 4090 now, that be a massive increase in fps...you may loose 5/10% as the 3700x wont be as good as a 7000 series cpu, but more than offset by the massive increase in fps over the 3080.
You can then decide if you want to wait or just bite the bullet and get it all now. Even then might be worth getting a 7600x (beats a 5800x3d) and swapping it for a *600x/700x or even wait for the next 800x3d variant, as cost of change wont be that high. Reckon if you buy a 7600x now for £199, max you'll loose is £75 if you swap out for new cpu...then again buy a 7800x3d for £350, should be able to turn that around for £250/£275 prob, so similar, so down to you to just go for the 7800x3d from the word go...guess when it first came out it was £450, so guessing next gen be the same so you may not want to upgrade immediately anyway
It didn't though. The 5800x3d is still faster in some instances
Warzone was/is still faster on the 5800x3d than the 7600x
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Yup.
On average they're about the same last I checked, but in instances where a game benefits from the cache the difference can be pretty big in favour of the 5800X3D.
I also keep seeing people complain lately that X3D chips are only a little faster than their non X3D variants, while totally ignoring the games people intend to play or things like minimum frames. The differences can be absolutely massive, even on more mid range hardware like a 4070 or 7800XT.
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Yes, in some instances. I did say previous that some games get boost but on av I think the 7600x came out 3% better than the 5800x3d at 1080p with a 4090..butvyou could call it a tie
I have a 5800x and 3080fe in one machine, a 3070tife and 7800x3d in the other...I can tell you right now my 3080 rig outperforms my 3070ti rig. Decided to wait for 5000 series with my 3070ti/7800x3d (though sometimes I get tempted). The cpu only eeks out the best of your gpu..it doesn't magically give you extra fos above what it can do.
And again, all the tests use a 4090 at 1080p. The 3080 isn't a 4090, and a 34in 1440p ultra wide isn't 1080p, so the uplift won't be as big a difference for fps
There is a good argument for just adding a 5700x3d.
But the wait because there is a new product coming is a load of crap.. there is always something new coming. If you want to upgrade and can budget a big upgrade do it.
3080 to 4090 is massive…
3700x to 7800x3d is massive
But the wait because there is a new product coming is a load of crap.. there is always something new coming. If you want to upgrade and can budget a big upgrade do it.
3080 to 4090 is massive…
3700x to 7800x3d is massive
To be fair, so would the jump from a 3700x to 5700x3d.
I went from a 3700x on a 4070 to a 5800X3D so absolutely know first hand. It really depends on how much a person wants to spend and how much faffing around they want to deal with. I went the 5800X3D route as I couldn't be bothered with a platform change and some of the games I play like 3D cache.
Personally I’m waiting for the next gen video cards (Rtx 5000) to drop later this or early next year before upgrading.
I’m not paying £1000+ for an Rtx 4080/4090 when it’s now an 18 month old card. If I’m going to get gouged then I might as well be gouged for newly released tech!
I’m not paying £1000+ for an Rtx 4080/4090 when it’s now an 18 month old card. If I’m going to get gouged then I might as well be gouged for newly released tech!
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I mean, that's great bud and I agree but the OP has a good GPU and his issues are almost entirely CPU related.
Nv tends to have more CPU overheard than AMD too, so that 3700X is more of an issue than people think imo.
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Fair point!
no it wont, not in comparison.
it will be a good upgrade not massive. i did it recently for my son 5600 to 5700x3d.
in some game there was little to no change in others 10to15%
going from a 3080 to a 4090 is massive not 10 to 15%
adding on top of that 3700x to 7800x3d and adding ddr5
the 5700x3d is a good option, but not in the same world as a full upgrade.
just to make an example the 5700x3d as the same gaming performance as a 7600x
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you may be right. I don't really play multiplayer shooters. Did find the 5800x3d v 7600x 50 game comparison on HU and your right, with a 4090, at 1080p warzone the 5800x3d beat the 7600x by 19fps so was 8.9% faster but 1% lows there were 2fps in it. at 1440 it was 17fps and 4k was 3fps difference, so guessing 1440p ultrawide would sit in the 10fps diff(but game was running at over 211fps anyway so you wouldn't notice, though 4k 1%lows favoured the 5800x3d but midpoint between the 1440 and 4k would again be 10fps). looks like the 7600x was bottlenecked at 1080p as fps was 213/211/211 for 1080/1440/4090, whereas the 5800x3d was 232/228/213 so becomeing gpu only became bottlenecked at 4k. weird the CoD modern warfare completely different and had identical numbers, coming from the same game sort of.
now I know talking about 7600x and 5800x3d, getting ab bit sidetracked, so 5800x3d will of course beat the 3700x, but again were taking betw 1440p and 4k for the op, and with a 3080, so difference wont be as big as 4090 far more powerful, and at the higher resolution play, the gpu will be the bottleneck again...the 1% lows aren't big enough to make that much of a difference..
it might though..so decided to download warzone from steam and see what i get on the 3070ti/7800x3d. I'm pretty useless at multiplayer shooters, but should survive long enought to run around and get an idea
hopefully. Will try in next day or sooh, and the 50 game av below if anyone wants to look. av at 1080, 7600x 4% ahead, 1440 was 3% and 4k 1%...so pretty even. but yes, warzone favours x3d
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yes 100%, a lot of people forgot AMD didnt match first get skylake on IPC until the 3XXX chips.
We're going to have to agree to disagree, I did similar and found it huge.
As mentioned, it does depend on the games you play and certain other factors.
Back when it was as much price + performance, things started to change with the 5000 series onward for consumers.
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what spec GPU? and what res do you game at
yes 100% some game love it and some dont. in squads i got a big jump but when you worked it out it was only 15%. that is still a good just but if you want more. and you can budget the cost do it is all im saying
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