Upgrading 4090 to 5090 - minimising upgrade cost.

[MCFC_ANDY]

Nvidia have learned from their pricing mistakes with the 4080super coming in under the old 4080’s msrp.

only thing nvidia learns is to gouge more cash out of gamers. they were forced to lower the price as very few were dumb enough to pay the price v performance

 

[Personality+]

Did you get over a grand for it?

Indeed, however I had it listed at this price for a month and no bites, then a slight surge in price movement has made it a deal again on the used market. Price dipped 200 and is back to the £1300-£1400 range if you want one 2nd hand in good condition..

And I have to wait and see if they'll pay of course still. Luckily I'm in a situation where I can sell it or not, just would prefer to get a decent price for it, in preparation for 5090.

 

[JediFragger]

Indeed, however I had it listed at this price for a month and no bites, then a slight surge in price movement has made it a deal again on the used market. Price dipped 200 and is back to the £1300-£1400 range if you want one 2nd hand in good condition..

And I have to wait and see if they'll pay of course still. Luckily I'm in a situation where I can sell it or not, just would prefer to get a decent price for it, in preparation for 5090.

Suprim X too tbf, top model.

 

[Shaz12]

Nvidia have learned from their pricing mistakes with the 4080super coming in under the old 4080’s msrp.

Similarly to sell the 5080 they will price it to just over a grand. (Max 900-1050).

A 4090 sadly is soon to be past gen and likely feature locked out so £1K for used currently seems reasonable esp as there is uncertainty regarding the power connector etc.

Nvidia dropped the price of the 4080 Super to kill the 7900 XTX, not because they thought it was priced wrong earlier. The 4080 was made to look terrible at launch because Nvidia knew that the customer base who would buy a 4080 would look at the astronomical leap in performance with the 4090 and pony up the extra cash. The moment they have achieved this, they dropped the 4080 pricing to kill 7900XTX. This is the same company which called the 4070 a 4080 12GB when AMD was competing.

With 5000 series, AMD has given up on the high end and their mid range GPU at best only competes with 5070 and even their will suffer from terrible RT and no alternative to DLSS. Nvidia has the entire high end market to themselves with Blackwell.

There is absolutely no way the 5080 goes for sale for anything less than 1200. In fact I expect 5090 for 2200-2500 and 5080 at 1400 because why not? There is no AMD to worry about.

 

[Personality+]

Nvidia dropped the price of the 4080 Super to kill the 7900 XTX, not because they thought it was priced wrong earlier. The 4080 was made to look terrible at launch because Nvidia knew that the customer base who would buy a 4080 would look at the astronomical leap in performance with the 4090 and pony up the extra cash. The moment they have achieved this, they dropped the 4080 pricing to kill 7900XTX. This is the same company which called the 4070 a 4080 12GB when AMD was competing.

With 5000 series, AMD has given up on the high end and their mid range GPU at best only competes with 5070 and even their will suffer from terrible RT and no alternative to DLSS. Nvidia has the entire high end market to themselves with Blackwell.

There is absolutely no way the 5080 goes for sale for anything less than 1200. In fact I expect 5090 for 2200-2500 and 5080 at 1400 because why not? There is no AMD to worry about.

Exactly how they got me, word for word, bar for bar.

 

[Quartz]

I don't bother selling; I just repurpose. When I upgraded to a 2080 Ti I gave my brother one of my Titans. That was in use until just recently when I learned that my niece was now into PC gaming (on her father's PC) so I gave her my old 2080 Ti. My 3090 is in my backup PC, which I offered to my nephew when I got my 4090; he didn't want it. (The 3090 won't fit in my brother's PC which is why my niece doesn't have it, but she'll be getting my backup PC with the 3090 or 4090 inside later this year. If she wants it.)

 

[BS Dave]

I don't bother selling; I just repurpose. When I upgraded to a 2080 Ti I gave my brother one of my Titans. That was in use until just recently when I learned that my niece was now into PC gaming (on her father's PC) so I gave her my old 2080 Ti. My 3090 is in my backup PC, which I offered to my nephew when I got my 4090; he didn't want it. (The 3090 won't fit in my brother's PC which is why my niece doesn't have it, but she'll be getting my backup PC with the 3090 or 4090 inside later this year. If she wants it.)

Sounds like you don't have any kids yourself Quartz, wanna adopt me so be next in line

 

[JediFragger]

Please please groom me too

 

[BS Dave]

Please please groom me too

That's just your sick and twisted mind!!

 

[chaparral]

Sounds like you don't have any kids yourself Quartz, wanna adopt me so be next in line

Kind of the same thing here, All my old system parts went into my 15 year old niece system.

8700k
Z370 formula,
Dark Rock pro 4
32GB ddr3
Asus ROG 2080ti
500gb 970 Nvme
1TB 980 pro Nvme

Plus i even needed to buy her a new Bequiet 500 FX case to fit them in

She runs it on my old Asus PG34Q UW monitor i gave her back in 2020 after i upgraded to my PG35VQ monitor

She seemed to of also Claimed my Xbox one X for last 8+ months

 

[chaparral]

The best way to save money is just keep the 4090 for another generation, really no need to offload it for a 5090 as it’s still so much faster than anything else and will hold up very well next gen.

Think the only thing i would want to upgrade to a 5090 for is the displayport version 2.0 /2.1 output if i upgrade my monitor at sometime to one that supports this

With the 4090 & my Monitor only having Displayport v1.4 my 3440x1440 monitor drops to only 8 bit colour if i go over 144hz

 

[no_1_dave]

With the 4090 & my Monitor only having Displayport v1.4 my 3440x1440 monitor drops to only 8 bit colour if i go over 144hz

And you can't see the difference from 10bit to 8bit with dithering
In fact, people have done blind tests and the majority of people say the 8bit with dithering looks better. Noticeably less banding

 

[chaparral]

And you can't see the difference from 10bit to 8bit with dithering
In fact, people have done blind tests and the majority of people say the 8bit with dithering looks better. Noticeably less banding

I never noticed as i always just use either 144hz 10bit or 120hz 12bit on it

 

[Joxeon]

Nvidia dropped the price of the 4080 Super to kill the 7900 XTX, not because they thought it was priced wrong earlier. The 4080 was made to look terrible at launch because Nvidia knew that the customer base who would buy a 4080 would look at the astronomical leap in performance with the 4090 and pony up the extra cash. The moment they have achieved this, they dropped the 4080 pricing to kill 7900XTX. This is the same company which called the 4070 a 4080 12GB when AMD was competing.

With 5000 series, AMD has given up on the high end and their mid range GPU at best only competes with 5070 and even their will suffer from terrible RT and no alternative to DLSS. Nvidia has the entire high end market to themselves with Blackwell.

There is absolutely no way the 5080 goes for sale for anything less than 1200. In fact I expect 5090 for 2200-2500 and 5080 at 1400 because why not? There is no AMD to worry about.

With AMD only having about 10% of the market and Nvidia refusing to even show AMDs cards in benchmarks I doubt they base pricing decisions on what AMD are doing.

The truth is that AMD are inconsequential and have little bearing on market pricing, Nvidia priced the 4000 series high because they had loads of 3000 series cards left over to sell so each 5000 series tier was made to look unattractive or offer no better and sometimes worse price to performance compared to the somewhat discounted 3000 models.

 

[chaparral]

There is no AMD to worry about.

Who AMD ?

 

[Shaz12]

With AMD only having about 10% of the market and Nvidia refusing to even show AMDs cards in benchmarks I doubt they base pricing decisions on what AMD are doing.

The truth is that AMD are inconsequential and have little bearing on market pricing, Nvidia priced the 4000 series high because they had loads of 3000 series cards left over to sell so each 5000 series tier was made to look unattractive or offer no better and sometimes worse price to performance compared to the somewhat discounted 3000 models.

They definitely look at AMD when tiering their cards. The 3080 Super 12GB was sold in response to the 6800XT, as it slightly beat the 3080 in raster and had more VRAM.

Then you have the 3080 Ti which was sold due to the 6900XT being able to match 3090 at £500 less. The 3090 Ti was also released to counter the 6950XT which was beating 3090 in raster games.

If you look at 4000 series, we don't have 4080 Ti and 4090 Ti because AMD stopped competing in the high end. Usually near the end of the generation, Nvidia always releases x80 Ti to bring Titan performance at lower prices but the this time 4090 continues to be in a tier of its own. No variants compared to how it was with 3000 series.

5000 series will be even worse. They will heavily segment the 5090 performance like they did for 4090 and for 5080, it will offer 4090 performance for £1200, what should have been a 4080 Ti, this generation itself.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

to minimise the cost upgrade you would sell now before official specs come out, play Dwarf Fortress for the next 12months whilst you try to get a Blackwell GPU that surpasses the 4090 performance

 

[Nexus18]

They definitely look at AMD when tiering their cards. The 3080 Super 12GB was sold in response to the 6800XT, as it slightly beat the 3080 in raster and had more VRAM.

Then you have the 3080 Ti which was sold due to the 6900XT being able to match 3090 at £500 less. The 3090 Ti was also released to counter the 6950XT which was beating 3090 in raster games.

If you look at 4000 series, we don't have 4080 Ti and 4090 Ti because AMD stopped competing in the high end. Usually near the end of the generation, Nvidia always releases x80 Ti to bring Titan performance at lower prices but the this time 4090 continues to be in a tier of its own. No variants compared to how it was with 3000 series.

5000 series will be even worse. They will heavily segment the 5090 performance like they did for 4090 and for 5080, it will offer 4090 performance for £1200, what should have been a 4080 Ti, this generation itself.

The 3080 12gb was to cash in on mining, they seen people buying the 3080s for £1+k and aibs wanted that instead of scalpers getting the profit. The 3080 10gb and 6800xt were evenly matched with the 3080 coming out ahead more often at 4k and nowadays due to more powerful cpus and nvidia improving their dx 12 perf. the 3080 10gb more often beats the 6800xt and competes more with the 6900xt in a few games (talking about just raster here)

 

[Joxeon]

They definitely look at AMD when tiering their cards. The 3080 Super 12GB was sold in response to the 6800XT, as it slightly beat the 3080 in raster and had more VRAM.

The 3080 12gb was released so Nvidia could make more money, the 3080 had an MSRP of $700 so AiBs were getting the BOM cost on the cheap but were selling 3080's for sky high prices so Nvidia wanted a bigger slice of the pie, the 3080ti was done for the same reason.

Then you have the 3080 Ti which was sold due to the 6900XT being able to match 3090 at £500 less. The 3090 Ti was also released to counter the 6950XT which was beating 3090 in raster games.

3090ti was just released as a cash grab to make more off the full dies without defects that Nvidia had saved up, the fact it released for $2000 shows it wasn't aimed to compete with the 6950XT which at the time was selling for half that.

If you look at 4000 series, we don't have 4080 Ti and 4090 Ti because AMD stopped competing in the high end. Usually near the end of the generation, Nvidia always releases x80 Ti to bring Titan performance at lower prices but the this time 4090 continues to be in a tier of its own. No variants compared to how it was with 3000 series.

We dont have those cards because the 4080ti would just dilute 4090 sales and make cards like the 4080/S obsolete while the 4090ti dies are used for AI cards and sold for $4000.

5000 series will be even worse. They will heavily segment the 5090 performance like they did for 4090 and for 5080, it will offer 4090 performance for £1200, what should have been a 4080 Ti, this generation itself.

I think they'll have the big gap in performance again but I dont think they'll price the 5080 at $1200, Nvidia tried it and it didn't work out, they now have that data from sales and will know now the optimum price that results in the highest profit in terms of cost and sales figures.

 

[BS Dave]

to minimise the cost upgrade you would sell now before official specs come out, play Dwarf Fortress for the next 12months whilst you try to get a Blackwell GPU that surpasses the 4090 performance

Is it good? I've been tempted but worry for my job/marriage/life